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faye
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2004-06-21 20:55:00
There is a girl in my lab, joining the group 2 years later than me.
As soon as she came, she worked with me on a project called CARS. Since she was new, basically she was just like a helper during experimental time, doing stuffs I instructed her to do. And I processed all the data we got.
After more than half year, my boss would like her to take Raman project. (Just let you know that CARS is just one part of Raman project.) So I worked less and less on Raman experiment. But actually after my boss's decision, she started to work on other parts of Raman, such as regular Raman, Resonance Raman, SERS... and doing some sample measurements for other groups. It is about one year.
Now since there is no prominent result comming out of Raman project and no funding to support study either, my boss decided to close that project. But there is still one paper that can be written on. That is CARS which I did with her at the begining. My boss would like us to repeat the experiment again. Although she has been here for almost 2 years, she was still not able to operate our laser system which is the light source for the CARS. So I have to be involved in order to do CARS experiment. We did experiment together, and basically I still led the experiment, like we worked together at the beginning time.
So I feel I did more than 50% in CARS experiment, although the Raman project is hers. However, for the coming paper, my boss will list her as the first author and me as the second author. I talked to him about it. Although he admitted that I did more and knew more about our experiment, he won't change his mind. He just said to me that "it is not a significant paper, won't change too much for my future... I should focus on my own project, and that is the real one.... " All papers in my group are written by my boss. So I couldn't do anything about it, but accept it.
I am very unhappy with it. I did spend time and effort on that CARS project. And that girl knew less about it than me. Now they don't let me process the data, but ask me to help her to process the data, which is like I tell her every step to do and she does it. What is more, another group member appeared on my paper as the second author never worked on a whole experiment with me. He only did some lab work which I just don't have the strenth to do it. My experiment always took over 24 hours, and I am always in the lab overnight by myself.
I know that it is never fair in this world. But when it really comes to me, it is so hard for me to handle it. I feel very bad. I think ggddjjmm here have a lot of experience. Could you give me any suggestion to let me get through it? Also I don't know how to treat that girl. If there is no such a thing existing, I won't dislike her. But now I can't talk to her smilely especially when she asked me how to process the data. Some questions are really simple. I can't be patient. What should I do? Should I try to be happy and help her as much as possible, so we will still be friend? I am afraid that eventually she won't appreciate my help and think she has done the project in her mind. You know she is an american girl, thinking she is able to do the research although... I don't know how to do. I would really appreciate your help.
Now my boss tries to end her project, and then asks her to join one part of my experiment which is optical pump-probe. In my boss' plan, she will contribute her 100% time to the experiment, and I should contribute my 25% time to it. I wil lead the experiment, and she will follow. Frankly, my boss doesn't think she is good at experiment. It is the reason why my boss still doesn't allow her to operate on the whole laser system in our lab. You know, if you are not careful enough, bumping some optics, it will take days or months to realign the system. So he has to ask me to join the experiment. But I don't like the plan. I am afraid that in the end it will be the same result as the CARS. I do the epxeriment. I develop the idea. But finally I will be still the second author on the paper. I feel very unconfortable with it. I don't know how to talk to my boss to make sure I will be the first author on the paper if we get any result. I don't want him to think I am not a team-worker. But for me if I am not the first author, I really don't want to work as hard as I did on CARS.
I am very worried about these things recently. I can't say anyting hard to my boss. All after all, if he doesn't write a good recommendation for me, it will be very hard for me to find a job. What should I do?
As soon as she came, she worked with me on a project called CARS. Since she was new, basically she was just like a helper during experimental time, doing stuffs I instructed her to do. And I processed all the data we got.
After more than half year, my boss would like her to take Raman project. (Just let you know that CARS is just one part of Raman project.) So I worked less and less on Raman experiment. But actually after my boss's decision, she started to work on other parts of Raman, such as regular Raman, Resonance Raman, SERS... and doing some sample measurements for other groups. It is about one year.
Now since there is no prominent result comming out of Raman project and no funding to support study either, my boss decided to close that project. But there is still one paper that can be written on. That is CARS which I did with her at the begining. My boss would like us to repeat the experiment again. Although she has been here for almost 2 years, she was still not able to operate our laser system which is the light source for the CARS. So I have to be involved in order to do CARS experiment. We did experiment together, and basically I still led the experiment, like we worked together at the beginning time.
So I feel I did more than 50% in CARS experiment, although the Raman project is hers. However, for the coming paper, my boss will list her as the first author and me as the second author. I talked to him about it. Although he admitted that I did more and knew more about our experiment, he won't change his mind. He just said to me that "it is not a significant paper, won't change too much for my future... I should focus on my own project, and that is the real one.... " All papers in my group are written by my boss. So I couldn't do anything about it, but accept it.
I am very unhappy with it. I did spend time and effort on that CARS project. And that girl knew less about it than me. Now they don't let me process the data, but ask me to help her to process the data, which is like I tell her every step to do and she does it. What is more, another group member appeared on my paper as the second author never worked on a whole experiment with me. He only did some lab work which I just don't have the strenth to do it. My experiment always took over 24 hours, and I am always in the lab overnight by myself.
I know that it is never fair in this world. But when it really comes to me, it is so hard for me to handle it. I feel very bad. I think ggddjjmm here have a lot of experience. Could you give me any suggestion to let me get through it? Also I don't know how to treat that girl. If there is no such a thing existing, I won't dislike her. But now I can't talk to her smilely especially when she asked me how to process the data. Some questions are really simple. I can't be patient. What should I do? Should I try to be happy and help her as much as possible, so we will still be friend? I am afraid that eventually she won't appreciate my help and think she has done the project in her mind. You know she is an american girl, thinking she is able to do the research although... I don't know how to do. I would really appreciate your help.
Now my boss tries to end her project, and then asks her to join one part of my experiment which is optical pump-probe. In my boss' plan, she will contribute her 100% time to the experiment, and I should contribute my 25% time to it. I wil lead the experiment, and she will follow. Frankly, my boss doesn't think she is good at experiment. It is the reason why my boss still doesn't allow her to operate on the whole laser system in our lab. You know, if you are not careful enough, bumping some optics, it will take days or months to realign the system. So he has to ask me to join the experiment. But I don't like the plan. I am afraid that in the end it will be the same result as the CARS. I do the epxeriment. I develop the idea. But finally I will be still the second author on the paper. I feel very unconfortable with it. I don't know how to talk to my boss to make sure I will be the first author on the paper if we get any result. I don't want him to think I am not a team-worker. But for me if I am not the first author, I really don't want to work as hard as I did on CARS.
I am very worried about these things recently. I can't say anyting hard to my boss. All after all, if he doesn't write a good recommendation for me, it will be very hard for me to find a job. What should I do?
这些名词听起来真亲切. 四年就是弹指一挥间, 学生时代的事依然历历在目.
如果你以后要做falcuty, 你老板的推荐最重要, 所以一般不要和他闹矛盾. 如果要进industry, Raman的工作真少, 能看懂你的文章的人更少. 或者你以后根本就不调激光了, 谁又在乎你以前是不是专家. 其实说穿了就是文章没有什么大不了的. 实验室里面要争的是毕业的时间. 如果这篇文章对你毕业至关重要, 如果是你的唯一一篇第一作者, 还是要争下来的. 如果老板因为你做实验好, 那个女孩子做不了实验而这样挽留你, 就要警惕起来了.
如果你以后要做falcuty, 你老板的推荐最重要, 所以一般不要和他闹矛盾. 如果要进industry, Raman的工作真少, 能看懂你的文章的人更少. 或者你以后根本就不调激光了, 谁又在乎你以前是不是专家. 其实说穿了就是文章没有什么大不了的. 实验室里面要争的是毕业的时间. 如果这篇文章对你毕业至关重要, 如果是你的唯一一篇第一作者, 还是要争下来的. 如果老板因为你做实验好, 那个女孩子做不了实验而这样挽留你, 就要警惕起来了.
I don't know what to say, it's tough situation.
I think it's depending on what you want to get.
are you in Ph.D program and will you graduate soon?
I think you shouldn't upset your boss, first author or second is not worth it.
but I understand that you are not happy, well, if you can't make sure you will win the fight, don't start it.
The other thing I want to say is that being unhappy could be only one signal for some bigger problem underneath.
if you can't graduate soon, maybe you want to consider finding a new boss or switching school if those are optional.
I think it's depending on what you want to get.
are you in Ph.D program and will you graduate soon?
I think you shouldn't upset your boss, first author or second is not worth it.
but I understand that you are not happy, well, if you can't make sure you will win the fight, don't start it.
The other thing I want to say is that being unhappy could be only one signal for some bigger problem underneath.
if you can't graduate soon, maybe you want to consider finding a new boss or switching school if those are optional.
这个新的项目
你可以把自己的顾虑和老伴说一下拉
什么事情,事先讲好。。。就好办啦。。。
不要等他们都盖棺论定了。。再argue...
你可以把自己的顾虑和老伴说一下拉
什么事情,事先讲好。。。就好办啦。。。
不要等他们都盖棺论定了。。再argue...
谢谢你们。终于到家,可以打中文了。
这是我的第四年,明年这个时候我就该PhD毕业了。我想老板大概不会硬留我,因为我再读下去,就要付全额州外学费,一年一万五左右。老板该不会留我而多付这些钱给学校的。我已经有两篇文章交上去了,还不知道回音。我也不想为了这篇文章的事硬顶老板。反正他决定的事,也不可能改的。而且以后的文章还得他写。我只希望将来在推荐信上他能肯定我在这方面的能力。
可是我就是会觉得很不爽。自己辛苦做的东西,倒头来确是别人得的果。接下来要和她一起做的东西,如果毕业前文章还没有被接受,这就又是为别人做的。我也知道,我再不开心,结果也不太可能改变。读到这份上,我不可能再换老板,也不可能 fight with him, 因为要他的推荐信的事。不开心,伤的只有自己。可我就是不知道该怎么想才能从这种坏情绪中解脱出来, 才能依旧正常地和那个女孩相处,不表现出烦或厌来(我是不太能控制自己的情绪,怎么感受,就会怎么表现的)。所以想听听大家的开导,看看大家的理解或态度。毕竟我经历的事太少,到现在也没出过校门。
这是我的第四年,明年这个时候我就该PhD毕业了。我想老板大概不会硬留我,因为我再读下去,就要付全额州外学费,一年一万五左右。老板该不会留我而多付这些钱给学校的。我已经有两篇文章交上去了,还不知道回音。我也不想为了这篇文章的事硬顶老板。反正他决定的事,也不可能改的。而且以后的文章还得他写。我只希望将来在推荐信上他能肯定我在这方面的能力。
可是我就是会觉得很不爽。自己辛苦做的东西,倒头来确是别人得的果。接下来要和她一起做的东西,如果毕业前文章还没有被接受,这就又是为别人做的。我也知道,我再不开心,结果也不太可能改变。读到这份上,我不可能再换老板,也不可能 fight with him, 因为要他的推荐信的事。不开心,伤的只有自己。可我就是不知道该怎么想才能从这种坏情绪中解脱出来, 才能依旧正常地和那个女孩相处,不表现出烦或厌来(我是不太能控制自己的情绪,怎么感受,就会怎么表现的)。所以想听听大家的开导,看看大家的理解或态度。毕竟我经历的事太少,到现在也没出过校门。
真巧你也懂这些专业的东西。你说的对呀。很多现在很在乎的东西,等过几年之后来看,就不会觉得真的需要在乎。就象小时候念书,考得好或不好,也会在心上有个小结,可现在想来,那根本不算什么。说得再远些,真不知道临死那一刻,会觉得什么是重要的,是该在乎的。
说回现在,我也知道Raman的工作很少,可我还是发现最近有人要做CARS的。而我现在自己做的,就连一个位置都没有发现过。(BTW, 我在做的是用ultrafast laser 产生x-rays,然后用xray absorption spectroscopy 去研究物质的dynamic structure change. ) 我以前挺想做research的,这几年被老板打击的,不想再这么累。所以挺想进industry. 但我现在做的,好象没人要。也不知道该怎么办。知道你是移民工作的版主,也听说你毕业后找了一份和你读书时弄的东西不相关的工作,很想听听你的建议。我一直很困惑,大家怎么能找到一份和读书时专业不相关的工作?先谢谢了。
说回现在,我也知道Raman的工作很少,可我还是发现最近有人要做CARS的。而我现在自己做的,就连一个位置都没有发现过。(BTW, 我在做的是用ultrafast laser 产生x-rays,然后用xray absorption spectroscopy 去研究物质的dynamic structure change. ) 我以前挺想做research的,这几年被老板打击的,不想再这么累。所以挺想进industry. 但我现在做的,好象没人要。也不知道该怎么办。知道你是移民工作的版主,也听说你毕业后找了一份和你读书时弄的东西不相关的工作,很想听听你的建议。我一直很困惑,大家怎么能找到一份和读书时专业不相关的工作?先谢谢了。
以下是引用cerium在2004-6-21 22:14:25的发言:
这些名词听起来真亲切. 四年就是弹指一挥间, 学生时代的事依然历历在目.
如果你以后要做falcuty, 你老板的推荐最重要, 所以一般不要和他闹矛盾. 如果要进industry, Raman的工作真少, 能看懂你的文章的人更少. 或者你以后根本就不调激光了, 谁又在乎你以前是不是专家. 其实说穿了就是文章没有什么大不了的. 实验室里面要争的是毕业的时间. 如果这篇文章对你毕业至关重要, 如果是你的唯一一篇第一作者, 还是要争下来的. 如果老板因为你做实验好, 那个女孩子做不了实验而这样挽留你, 就要警惕起来了.
这些名词听起来真亲切. 四年就是弹指一挥间, 学生时代的事依然历历在目.
如果你以后要做falcuty, 你老板的推荐最重要, 所以一般不要和他闹矛盾. 如果要进industry, Raman的工作真少, 能看懂你的文章的人更少. 或者你以后根本就不调激光了, 谁又在乎你以前是不是专家. 其实说穿了就是文章没有什么大不了的. 实验室里面要争的是毕业的时间. 如果这篇文章对你毕业至关重要, 如果是你的唯一一篇第一作者, 还是要争下来的. 如果老板因为你做实验好, 那个女孩子做不了实验而这样挽留你, 就要警惕起来了.
以下是引用faye在2004-6-22 4:21:37的发言:
真巧你也懂这些专业的东西。你说的对呀。很多现在很在乎的东西,等过几年之后来看,就不会觉得真的需要在乎。就象小时候念书,考得好或不好,也会在心上有个小结,可现在想来,那根本不算什么。说得再远些,真不知道临死那一刻,会觉得什么是重要的,是该在乎的。
说回现在,我也知道Raman的工作很少,可我还是发现最近有人要做CARS的。而我现在自己做的,就连一个位置都没有发现过。(BTW, 我在做的是用ultrafast laser 产生x-rays,然后用xray absorption spectroscopy 去研究物质的dynamic structure change. ) 我以前挺想做research的,这几年被老板打击的,不想再这么累。所以挺想进industry. 但我现在做的,好象没人要。也不知道该怎么办。知道你是移民工作的版主,也听说你毕业后找了一份和你读书时弄的东西不相关的工作,很想听听你的建议。我一直很困惑,大家怎么能找到一份和读书时专业不相关的工作?先谢谢了。
真巧你也懂这些专业的东西。你说的对呀。很多现在很在乎的东西,等过几年之后来看,就不会觉得真的需要在乎。就象小时候念书,考得好或不好,也会在心上有个小结,可现在想来,那根本不算什么。说得再远些,真不知道临死那一刻,会觉得什么是重要的,是该在乎的。
说回现在,我也知道Raman的工作很少,可我还是发现最近有人要做CARS的。而我现在自己做的,就连一个位置都没有发现过。(BTW, 我在做的是用ultrafast laser 产生x-rays,然后用xray absorption spectroscopy 去研究物质的dynamic structure change. ) 我以前挺想做research的,这几年被老板打击的,不想再这么累。所以挺想进industry. 但我现在做的,好象没人要。也不知道该怎么办。知道你是移民工作的版主,也听说你毕业后找了一份和你读书时弄的东西不相关的工作,很想听听你的建议。我一直很困惑,大家怎么能找到一份和读书时专业不相关的工作?先谢谢了。
太不好意思, 看到你的文章蛮关注的, 胡说八道一通. 不应该把自己不求上进的思想还要强加给别人. 其实找工作就是一个门坎, 偶选了容易的走而已. 因为前面的师兄师姐都转到这个行业, 自己只好早早就做了打算. 现在还是觉得别人用心找到的工作, 和专业对口多些的将来发展前途更好. laser application的基础研究很难做的, 不是idea的问题, 而是经费, 因为设备维护的费用很高. 所以经费上一直要active.
faye mm, comfort 先。。。
和你这样类似的故事也听说过一些,大多数都是老板对待美国人和中国人不一样的情形,很不公平!当初偶也总是想不通只替朋友伤心,现在明白重要的是自己看的远些,以后的路还很长的。。。相信你自己学到的和可以做的东西别人永远拿不去,呵呵。第一作者的文章是要争取的,不去表明也许永远也没有机会,可以和老板好好地谈一谈。恩,最好不要让老板不happy.
和你这样类似的故事也听说过一些,大多数都是老板对待美国人和中国人不一样的情形,很不公平!当初偶也总是想不通只替朋友伤心,现在明白重要的是自己看的远些,以后的路还很长的。。。相信你自己学到的和可以做的东西别人永远拿不去,呵呵。第一作者的文章是要争取的,不去表明也许永远也没有机会,可以和老板好好地谈一谈。恩,最好不要让老板不happy.
comfort~~~
不明白为什么你老板要把那个女孩放在第一作者呢?有别的问题吗?
LG的两片PAPER都是他自己的idea and writing, 老板做的工作就是最后revise一下,呵呵,然后就算第一作者了,不过这是被老板压榨,和楼主情况稍有不同。后来lg就自己做主张,写paper的时候就把自己的名字放到前面,拿到老板那里,他也不能说出来什么,以此为开始,以后凡是该自己是第一作者的就自动成为第一作者了。楼主的paper是谁写的呢,自己做出来的结果,然后自己写的paper,可以自己把自己算成第一作者吧,别人也说不出来什么。
不过第一第二作者关系也不大吧,除非这片paper很多作者
不明白为什么你老板要把那个女孩放在第一作者呢?有别的问题吗?
LG的两片PAPER都是他自己的idea and writing, 老板做的工作就是最后revise一下,呵呵,然后就算第一作者了,不过这是被老板压榨,和楼主情况稍有不同。后来lg就自己做主张,写paper的时候就把自己的名字放到前面,拿到老板那里,他也不能说出来什么,以此为开始,以后凡是该自己是第一作者的就自动成为第一作者了。楼主的paper是谁写的呢,自己做出来的结果,然后自己写的paper,可以自己把自己算成第一作者吧,别人也说不出来什么。
不过第一第二作者关系也不大吧,除非这片paper很多作者
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看了半天才想起来raman是啥米。。。
初始化编辑器...
到底了
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