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Huaren
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amazonlily0

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2007-01-13 12:45:00

以下是引用boat在2007-1-13 10:16:00的发言:

xyin mm, bear hug !!

谢谢你说的这么仔细, 我想再问个问题, 我们的401K 有 fidelity,vanguard 和 tiaa-cref 3家的几个fund 来选, 我原来害怕放一家里如果这家出事了, 比如真的倒闭了,那我的钱不是全完了? 毕竟是多少年以后的事情呢。 所以, 我分别放了2家; 现在, 那个tiaa-cref 差得很, fidelity 要好一些, 所以, 我想是不是全放一起呢?

我的问题, 1) 是不是这种公司不会倒闭? 我好像没看见有人耽心我的这个问题, 大概我杞人忧天了。 2) 你知道哪家要好一些吗? 3) 如果我把在tiaa-cref 的钱转到fidelity里, 都是401K的帐户, 有什么惩罚吗? 我是指费用?

希望更多的MM能来讨论讨论, 让我们在2007年里发财吧。

Based on my understanding, Fund is the composition of underlying stocks/bond, so even if the company is broke, you are the shareholders of each underlying individual stocks/bond, and your money should still be there. So even the brokerage company is broke, you should still have your money back. Just my 2cents. 

Huaren
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amazonlily0

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2007-01-13 12:49:00

以下是引用xyin在2007-1-12 22:36:00的发言:

去年5-7月股市最低,所以max contribution(25%)很合算的。我一般月份就是6%, 股市低的时候就max out. 这样不到年底就max out 了。你要和你的公司benefit dept 问清楚,是不是max out 以后公司那部份的match 还是继续, 如果是就可以这样作, 如果不是你就要稍微小心一些, 不要miss 了公司match 的那个部份。

不要小看这个, 这个我call it passive timing, 就这个时间久了return 和一般平均的每个月放一样的相差相当客观。 这个方法我还没有看到有人用。。。(也许我孤陋寡闻)。

一般市场有10%down, 我就max contribution 了, 去年dow 11600 --> 10600, 我就实施了这个计划

每个策略都有适用范围, 这个只适用于大势还在强势。大势走弱应当按兵不动, 以静制动

Just curious. How do you foresee the market will be down in May--July at the beginning of the year? Or you decide when to max out in March/April, just a couple of month before you see the market  is going down? Would like to learn more..

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xyin

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2007-01-13 17:22:00

RE: "
Just curious. How do you foresee the market will be down in May--July at the beginning of the year? Or you decide when to max out in March/April, just a couple of month before you see the market  is going down? Would like to learn more..

"

I normally do not try to predict the market (when I do, i normally wrong, like end of last year). so at the beginning of the year, I do not have a plan as to when to max the contribution. In may, when market gave a pretty clear sign, and dropped. the drop happend so fast and market was down 10% very quickly, so I max the contribution rate (25% of salary). my 401k any change to the account take effect in a matter of a few days. so i was able to react to quickly


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Huaren
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xyin

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2007-01-13 17:39:00

以下是引用boat在2007-1-13 10:16:00的发言:

xyin mm, bear hug !!

谢谢你说的这么仔细, 我想再问个问题, 我们的401K 有 fidelity,vanguard 和 tiaa-cref 3家的几个fund 来选, 我原来害怕放一家里如果这家出事了, 比如真的倒闭了,那我的钱不是全完了? 毕竟是多少年以后的事情呢。 所以, 我分别放了2家; 现在, 那个tiaa-cref 差得很, fidelity 要好一些, 所以, 我想是不是全放一起呢?

我的问题, 1) 是不是这种公司不会倒闭? 我好像没看见有人耽心我的这个问题, 大概我杞人忧天了。 2) 你知道哪家要好一些吗? 3) 如果我把在tiaa-cref 的钱转到fidelity里, 都是401K的帐户, 有什么惩罚吗? 我是指费用?

希望更多的MM能来讨论讨论, 让我们在2007年里发财吧。

我对MF知识几乎等于0。 所以不知道哪一家好。 会不会倒闭我也不太清楚。不过我知道2000年 dot come crash 后很多 fund 消失了, 至于投资者有没有recover 一些损失, 我想可能不重要吧。 就是recover一些, 和最初的投资相比也布置一提了。

你没有杞人忧天, 所以要keep an eye on your investment. I would not touch a MF that does not have at least 10 year tracking history. 很多人没有意识到很多fung已经消失了, 看到的只是市场上的fund 越来越多, 在下一个crash 之后还会有多少存活下来? 我们现在的sample 是在激烈竞争中生存下来的fund + new fund (established from 2002). because the past 4 good years, now we see mutual fund performance really well. but the sample is twisted, if we include the disppeared funds , 然后把时间跨度延长到下一个熊市结束, 你的结论就会完全不一样

Huaren
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2007-01-14 00:47:00

I am not sure, but I somehow remember there is a federal insurance about investment. It is not to insure the price of the investment, but to insure the brokers. If the brokers go broken, your invested money will still be there.

But I forget the details and can not find any clue of it.

Anyone has any idea of it?

Huaren
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唐伯虎点蚊香

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2007-01-15 13:20:00

the easiest way is to put money into your funds directly, and let dollar average to do its work.  Currently, i perceive a descending dollar market, so that i put a lot of my money into international mutual funds ( big caps in Japan and euro) .  My company doesn't have emerging market funds.  Anyway, the return is still better off than to invest in domestic markets.
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