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Huaren
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[求助]traditional IRA

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2007-03-14 10:38:00

If I want to buy traditioanl IRA and get dedaction for all the $4000 of 2006, the first question I need answer ( on the tax book) is : "Do you have a retirement plan"? My situation is I have a 403b but the money is from myslef, no match from school. So do I have a "qualified retirement plan'?

because I thought the "qualified" means company or school "match" your contribution, is this right?

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2007-03-14 21:36:00

403(b) is the tax -sheltered annuity plans for employees of
public schools and some non-profit organizations. It is extremely similar to a
401k plan. So you are covered by a qualified employer retirement plan subjected
to IRA rules under
tax code.



What you assume the plan isn't "qualified" actually is another
issue. When the employer doesn’t make contributions to employee accounts
(matching ect), it  means this 403(b) is
not a qualified "ERISA" (Employee
Retirement Income Security Act of 1974) plan.  The further discussion would be very tedious.






So the short answer
of your question is : yes, you have a retirement plan.

Huaren
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2007-03-15 13:26:00

哇, 楼上看上去很专业, 赶快抓住问问。 昨天我输不了中文, 觉得我说不清(都怪我英文太烂了)。

我想买traditioanl IRA, 想省税啦, 可那个不是有个AIG的限制不是吗? 然后, 我发现在怎么计算traditioanl IRA 有多少是能省税的那页上, 第一个问题是你有没有retirement plan, 如果你没有, 就可以$4000都免税的(那后面有计算, 但这个问题很关键, 如果没有, 好像那个AIG的限制都不起作用了。)

所以, 我就想我这个是不是不算retirement plan 呢? 因为税表说明里的解释retirement plan我这个 403B的没包括进去呢。那我就可以$4000都免税了。

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2007-03-15 20:02:00

除非是非常特殊的403b(少有), 你的403b是你的retirement plan. 所以你有retirement plan. (至于那些非常少有的403b plan 是算成IRA, 如果超过contribution limit, 你就不能开IRA了. )

你提到的"employer matching" 才算"qualified" retirement plan, 指的是这个plan不符合"ERISA", 那就是这个plan不象401K那样有严格的条例和破产保护等等...  

关于IRA的疑问, 一切要 看PUBLICATION 590,

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p590.pdf

这是根据US internal revenue code对IRA 一字一句的解释. 如果那些1040的Instructions里的字眼和Publication 有出入, 以Publication为准....

page 15 , table 1-2 有讲解如何算deductible contribution

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kathzh

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2007-03-19 13:31:00

By the way, if you are not still quite sure, the quickest way to find out is to check your W-2, Box 13
There are three boxes there, "retirement plan" box should be checked. If not, I highly recommend you to verify with your HR ...

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Disclaimer ---

Any specific questions should be directed to your tax professional.

以上意见纯属个人观点, 贪玩而已. 话一出口, 概不负责.

如果你对我的回答有质疑, 请到下列网站找正确答案---

--->IRS , 一切以publication为准,

投资常识 ---> SEC , NASD,

投资数据 --> Morningstar,

保险 ---> 各州insurance department,

Financial planning ---> CFP

 
我不推荐投资公司的出版物. 此外, 每家公司有不同的compliance标准, 过往的经验不代表现在的经历. patriot act实行以后, 有些表格和条款是必须的

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2007-03-19 14:03:00

为什么不考虑Roth IRA?
再deductible和non-deductible retirement plan之间要有个balance.
1)401k/403b/Trditional IRA都是deductible contribution, 等退休时取的钱都是要交税的; 2)ROTH IRA里的钱在退休取出来时是不要交税的。
如果1)里面的前太多,今后要交的税可能比现在要高,那就还不如现在先缴点税,投在Roth IRA里, 这样就可以降低今后要交的税。
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2007-03-19 15:48:00

我的box13是被check的了, 看来我是不能买Trditional IRA 了, 我觉得反正将来能把Trditional IRA roll over 成Roth IRA, 所以很想现在省些税。

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2007-03-19 15:50:00

Rollover的时候难道不用缴税了么?
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2007-03-19 15:56:00

我听说可以一点一点儿roll, 那么, 钱多的时候就不roll, 失业了或钱少了就来roll这个, 如何?
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