辉瑞一直有歪打正着的历史。你们都知道伟哥是怎么来的吧?!
文学城观光团 发表于 2021-05-16 19:42
Hahaha
清月随风 发表于 2021-05-17 10:11
其实我并不觉得这种好消息对疫苗是真的好消息 。有可能通过这次大型疫苗接种带来医学进步,但这得是在人们能够控制事情发展方向的情况下。现在这样完全就是黑盒子,每个人反应都不一样,好或不好,这种uncertainty绝不是疫苗应有的效果。
激活了免疫系统杀死癌细胞, 这是有可能的。
反疫苗的继续秀
A 61‐year‐old man with stage III Hodgkin lymphoma was hospitalized for the infection of Covid-19 in the UK. He was hospitalized for 11 days and did not receive any cancer treatment. Four months later, the PET-CT scan result showed that his lymphoma was largely gone!
For a 61-year-old U.K. man, having COVID-19 may have helped save his life.
The unidentified Cornwall man, whose case is documented in the British Journal of Haematology, was diagnosed with Hodgkin lymphoma during a checkup last summer, according to Wales Online. His week went from bad to worse a few days later when he was rushed to hospital with a severe case of COVID-19. After a gruelling 11 days of intensive care, during which he was put on oxygen to help heal his damaged lungs, the patient was discharged, fully recovered from the virus.
这楼里靠谱的就一个认认真真回帖的。
在cancer research里,的确目前认为很大一部分cancer是免疫调节失衡的问题,调节cancer microimviroment 达到控制治疗肿瘤的目的也是目前热点,很多药在preclinical和各期clinical trial,比如car T 和ox40。
出现一个两个肿瘤消失,对于这个结果我一点都不感到惊讶。其实可以跟踪一下肿瘤病人打疫苗以后反应的,特别是儿童血液系统的肿瘤。。
理论上讲,激活免疫系统让它杀死癌细胞是完全可能的,像CART基本上也是同一种概念,只不过一个有更明确的靶点。我记得看到过就是普通癌症病人也有可能通过某些方式比如感染之类的激活免疫系统,最后癌症消失的,像covid和covid vaccine这些能引起强烈免疫反应的能这样其实也是完全可能的,但是这些情况应该算是偶发,是否有明确的correlation,引起的概率是多少,mechanism是什么,能否能应用到临床作为治疗手段,这些是还不可知。
glory19831029 发表于 2021-05-17 10:08
Correlation is lot enough, need to show causality
tigerpi314 发表于 2021-05-17 10:58
打疫苗以后有什么副作用先排除疫苗原因,有啥好事发生先想到疫苗。
真的假的?
不过我有朋友打了疫苗之后就怀上儿子,
还有一个爷爷打了疫苗孙子就录了哈弗的,
还有一个打了疫苗就选上总统的大家听说没 ,嗯?
提大提大 发表于 2021-05-16 19:51
我还听说有人打了疫苗后直接去了火星的,都不靠elon直接去的那种……
到底了
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