well, sorry for the confusion.
my point is "being called a different name does not equal to being descriminated".
So "we are not called white=/ we are descriminated"
so a gay-gay union can be called gayrage, and it's not descrimination.
Names are used for stereotypes, and stereotypes CAN lead to inequality
这个两个丈夫非要叫婚姻，还是挺新鲜的。
这有什么新鲜的，constitution本来就承认这一点，都n年了。现在有人要改constitution为 husband and wife。
跟不讲逻辑的人讨论问题忒累了. 洗洗睡了
俺也要睡了，不知怎么今天精神特别好
我还是相信有一天人们会接受同性婚姻的。conventional marriage只是个相对的概念，是会慢慢演化的。
也许有一天没有婚姻的概念了，人们因为相爱而走到一起，因为不爱而分开，按自愿抚养子女，不需要法律，只需要感情。
未来的事情谁说得准，我还是觉得这是个moral issue，是和当时当地的社会环境，大家的意向分不开的。最后就是从众而已。
以前看得符合道德的，现在未必，比如一夫多妻。以前觉得流氓的，现在可能符合道德，比如婚前性/同居。我们都是生活在现在。
I am not familiar with the situation. They do not have a means to legitimate it now, is that right?
I heard many states have civil union, or other forms of legitimate process.
most benefit, at least where I work, would mention spouse/or same gender partner.
And I wonder who put that prince prince story in MA school curriculum. It is not good for gay people image in public.
They face a strong rejection, maybe because they went too far.
mm所有说话的语气就是：我们，as majority, 可以给你们点甜头，但你们go too far, 否则我们就会pissed off。 that's exactly what "non-equal" means. they have the right they should have, but not for us, majority, to entitle them
也许有一天没有婚姻的概念了，人们因为相爱而走到一起，因为不爱而分开，按自愿抚养子女，不需要法律，只需要感情。
未来的事情谁说得准，我还是觉得这是个moral issue，是和当时当地的社会环境，大家的意向分不开的。最后就是从众而已。
以前看得符合道德的，现在未必，比如一夫多妻。以前觉得流氓的，现在可能符合道德，比如婚前性/同居。我们都是生活在现在。
page 394 mm said
But we don't ask to be called white.
I said This is exactly the point.
Then you said "This is exactly why we are not treated as white"
who lost her logic here.
right, so I followed, think that means "not called white is why not treated as white" and offend people.........
Let's just say "we are not called white = we are not being discriminated"
Names are used for stereotypes, and stereotypes CAN lead to inequality
names represents certain defination.
I'm a girl, not a boy. That's what I am, any inequality between man and woman is not because of the name!
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啊？你不会想歪吧？putting money into black hole是指警方花大量人力物力堵prostitution这个洞。
mm所有说话的语气就是：我们，as majority, 可以给你们点甜头，但你们go too far, 否则我们就会pissed off。 that's exactly what "non-equal" means. they have the right they should have, but not for us, majority, to entitle them
Unfortunately, here in the current system, you need to have the majorty vote to make it leagal. This is how it works now. Just like, for ppl who vote for Maccain, they have to accept that Obama is the next president even they are pissed off.
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