yes. originally they were talking about liquidation so I was quite confused. it turned out to be Chap 11.
I'm not a lawyer but I heard that there are different rules when it comes to broker/dealers' bankruptcies. wonder what difference that makes.
据我有限的知识,CH11和CH 7的区别很大,ch 7是liquidation, 债务是“all or nothing“的游戏。有non-dischargeable的债务,譬如back to 3 years的taxes. File了ch 7的公司最后基本就是“死掉了”为结局。
ch 11是restructure bankruptcy, 债务会spread out,会cut back。LEH会先file 一个repayment plan, 然后judg审核。如果同意了这个plan,公司会照常运营,还可以继续借债以确保ongoing operation(这个是和ch 7最大的区别,ch 7没什么继续运营一说)。ch 11的债务, follow the absolute priority rule (shareholder 啥都拿不到也是这个原因,因为debtholder先有权力拿回自己的债;然后是preferred shareholders,最后才是common shareholders。debtholder里面又分first lien, second lien,有无投票权等,反正异常复杂。)
如果ch 11 失败了,就go for ch 7. 历史上80%的ch 11都失败了。成功的只有20%, kmart就是一个成功的例子。但愿leh会成功;但是在这种经济形式下,个人觉得恐怕是凶多吉少。
我看到的是LEh Holding filed a petition for Ch 11, 但是IB part filed for ch 7.
据我有限的知识,CH11和CH 7的区别很大,ch 7是liquidation, 债务是“all or nothing“的游戏。有non-dischargeable的债务,譬如back to 3 years的taxes. File了ch 7的公司最后基本就是“死掉了”为结局。
ch 11是restructure bankruptcy, 债务会spread out,会cut back。LEH会先file 一个repayment plan, 然后judg审核。如果同意了这个plan,公司会照常运营,还可以继续借债以确保ongoing operation(这个是和ch 7最大的区别,ch 7没什么继续运营一说)。ch 11的债务, follow the absolute priority rule (shareholder 啥都拿不到也是这个原因,因为debtholder先有权力拿回自己的债;然后是preferred shareholders,最后才是common shareholders。debtholder里面又分first lien, second lien,有无投票权等,反正异常复杂。)
如果ch 11 失败了,就go for ch 7. 历史上80%的ch 11都失败了。成功的只有20%, kmart就是一个成功的例子。但愿leh会成功;但是在这种经济形式下,个人觉得恐怕是凶多吉少。
MM的法律功底真好
MM的法律功底真好
我是学商的,不过上过商业法的课。不过这些基本知识和怎么restrucutre,怎么repay,在一些学校的corporate finance课里也会重点讲到。我曾经上过一门课,1/3个学期都在做类似的case,所以稍微了解一些。
我看到的是LEh Holding filed a petition for Ch 11, 但是IB part filed for ch 7.
据我有限的知识,CH11和CH 7的区别很大,ch 7是liquidation, 债务是“all or nothing“的游戏。有non-dischargeable的债务,譬如back to 3 years的taxes. File了ch 7的公司最后基本就是“死掉了”为结局。
ch 11是restructure bankruptcy, 债务会spread out,会cut back。LEH会先file 一个repayment plan, 然后judg审核。如果同意了这个plan,公司会照常运营,还可以继续借债以确保ongoing operation(这个是和ch 7最大的区别,ch 7没什么继续运营一说)。ch 11的债务, follow the absolute priority rule (shareholder 啥都拿不到也是这个原因,因为debtholder先有权力拿回自己的债;然后是preferred shareholders,最后才是common shareholders。debtholder里面又分first lien, second lien,有无投票权等,反正异常复杂。)
如果ch 11 失败了,就go for ch 7. 历史上80%的ch 11都失败了。成功的只有20%, kmart就是一个成功的例子。但愿leh会成功;但是在这种经济形式下,个人觉得恐怕是凶多吉少。
it's the brokerage unit which goes for Chapter.7. The asset here essentially belongs to the customers, creditors do not have/shoud not have any claims on that. also, the brokerage unit is still operating for now, did I make this wrong?
you are right on Chapter 11, though Neuberger Berman is not included in the filing, which may continue to operate.
it's the brokerage unit which goes for Chapter.7. The asset here essentially belongs to the customers, creditors do not have/shoud not have any claims on that. also, the brokerage unit is still operating for now, did I make this wrong?
you are right on Chapter 11, though Neuberger Berman is not included in the filing, which may continue to operate.
all subsidiaries are business as usual today because only the holding company filed for chap 11. They only filed for 3 motions though including one to extend the time.
Their trading desks are around.just not trading much.
到底了
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