以下是引用lumpenbourgeoisie在2007-10-15 16:19:00的发言：

这个结论更加匪夷所思了!

是不是战争年代汉奸的绝望归结于战争,和平年代贪污犯的绝望归结于和平啊!

这个MM的逻辑还真是......

上面说了那么多等于白说.

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i actually don't think that is jhsu's conclusion at all. you sort of put words in her/his mounth by setting up an illogic straw man argument.

终于看过了，可以评论一下电影了。

电影是个好电影，李安一贯的风格，故事讲得不紧不慢，但2小时38分钟，我并没觉得长，感觉跟看2个小时的电影差不多。tw的表演真的很不错，没想到她的歌唱得那么好。王力宏也没有想象中那么差啊，是嫩了些，但是基本完成任务。梁gg就不多说了，最后放电的时候确实很有魅力，唯一的遗憾是普通话说得不怎么样。

我一直觉得原著里面wjz并没有爱上易，之所以在关键时候放易一码，是心神恍惚之下所为，可是电影里就不是了。那句“快走”说了2回，明显不是潜意识下的行为了，而是就是要放易走了。这样一来，再加上易先生后来在眼眶里的眼泪，就把这个故事就变成了一个爱情故事，不过易还没有爱上王，是王爱上了易。这个改编我不喜欢。

爬完这么高的楼。

终于明白了为什么李安采访谈里面直白，一直以来作家包括电影人都害怕触碰到有关抗日的题材，毕竟是题材本身就是敏感的。张爱玲花了30年把字里行间藏好，他觉得现在气氛开放了才鼓起勇气把张爱玲的欲言又止一丝丝抽离出来。

我总觉得，还是要看过电影，才能有自己的理解；由别人的评价而生发的评价，就已经取了别人的角度，而这个角度也许不是你亲自去看会对电影本身所产生的理解。

不过我觉得楼上的几位同学或者马甲已经过于激动，现在就算去看，也未必能以平和的心态去理解了。

[此贴子已经被作者于2007-10-17 15:37:40编辑过]

当然可以。

但是我还是觉得一味地责怪wjz是不理智的。她在那之前就要求老吴早点儿收网，原因她没有说，但是很明显，她觉得自己快坚持不住了。可是老吴呢，根本不考虑她的情况，一心一意就知道要从她这条线里面拿更多的情报，这就是他领导的失败。一开始学生想出这个主意，可以理解——因为他们幼稚；可是后来中情局的人也要这么搞，简直就是莫名其妙。就算要这个搞，也找个专业的来搞啊。就算因为专业的不行，只好找个非专业的，那就不要把目标放那么高。要求人家比专业还专业，要人家超越自己的极限，这就是领导不力。最后行动失败，他们要负很大责任。不能理解有人一味地谴责wjz。

再说了，杀了一个易先生有多大意义啊？就像前面有人说的，杀了一个易先生，还有千万个顶上来。难道因为这个被刺杀，别人就会退缩？？？更何况这个易先生自己也没得到日本人的百分之百的信任呢。他的秘书对这帮学生的情况了如指掌，也不提醒易，其实是因为日本人根本不怕易会被暗杀，易不过是日本人的走狗，不是什么举足轻重的人物。

Totally agree with you. Wu and the others's fault is one thing.

I personally don't like people, especially women, with shaky heart, especially those who's beatten by little things like tiny tiny warmness, caring, such and such. That means the person doesn't have enough self-respect, doesn't treat him/herself like a people.

[此贴子已经被作者于2007-10-17 19:04:06编辑过]

mm, i never said you cannot think what you think right now, and you really don't have to feel so offended by my little suggestion of watching the movie before making any judgement. 

Plus, i don't think you got what buttercup mm really meant

I honestly think it doesn't make any sense to argue about the same thing over and over again, but i can tell you life does not have only two sides and is not as beautiful as you think, just like not every fairytale has an happy ending.  Not that i agree on what WJZ did, it is just impossible for everybody to deal with every single issue with a completely correct moral sense. 

Believe it or not, everyone has his/her little feeling going on, including you and me.  The only difference is we don't have a make a crucial decision during a war.  

Sure, I'm sort of bored also. The late post here.

Even it's myself, I don't forgive such a deed. I'm obsessed with perfection. That's my problem.

And I don't quite care about "people". Moral issue is not the most important point either.

I just hope that woman have some self-respect and rationality. Be able to control herself against some little things the others casually cherished. Treat herself nicely enough so that no others can emontionally hurt or control her easily. Feelings are free to go on, but don't do sth so stupid such as dying for things like the delusion of being loved.

Although I may make similar stupid mistakes sometimes, I don't like to just understand myself and let it be.

Sweat, sweat

being stupid, no self-respect, dwelling in the delusion of being loved, scraficed the others and herself for blah, <lust, caution> broke almost all my bottom lines there

[此贴子已经被作者于2007-10-17 18:14:34编辑过]