化线的基本上好象是土人俺一直翻来覆去白呼的东西, 尤其是加黑加粗的部分. 其实我本来没想能说服谁.
LOL我也没有矛盾自己说的东西啊？! 我说了我看到的这些都认为是好的，我没必要去criticize coz I absolutely enjoyed it. 你看到的都是bitter的，而且你对这些都不满。这是我们的区别吧？otherwise what are we arguing about. For sure we agree on some stuff :)
[此贴子已经被作者于2007-11-9 15:37:06编辑过]
You think this is understandable, or at least, pitiful. They think this is stupid and despicable. That is the difference.
You think this is understandable, or at least, pitiful. They think this is stupid and despicable. That is the difference.
that's one thing.
我还觉得, 作为电影创作者为了实现前面这个目的而做的拙劣铺垫比较的stupid and despicable. 而观众竟然能够认可这种拙劣 也比较的stupid,不能说despicable吧. 最后我不认为李按没有在JUDGING. 他就是JUDGE的太明显了,失去了客观描述的笔触, 一抑一扬, 这是我不满意的地方. 可能我就是那种不愿意感受到被人牵着鼻子走的那种观众.
这样好象总结地全面了一些. 总之, 有关于故事本身的想法, 有关于创作的想法.
You think this is understandable, or at least, pitiful. They think this is stupid and despicable. That is the difference.
sorry我不觉得这种女人stupid
我认为是自私不负责任，我理解女人天性自我中心，爱享受
但我悲悯邝所以不能同情王
尤其是当我看到李安电影出来，很多人写邝和那些同学还有老吴的口气，让我不得不说是李安用这个stupid的story丑化了他们,侮辱了智商还要侮辱feeling
你们对王过度的同情，是我所不同意的
我的厌烦lust，是因为我厌烦用lust为借口，其实是为女人自私的人性为借口做出恶的事情作了justify
自私然后作恶，自私的可以自私的理直气壮，可以不用为自己的生活负责，也不用为别人负责
that's one thing.
我还觉得, 作为电影创作者为了实现前面这个目的而做的拙劣铺垫比较的stupid and despicable. 而观众竟然能够认可这种拙劣 也比较的stupid,不能说despicable吧. 最后我不认为李按没有在JUDGING. 他就是JUDGE的太明显了,失去了客观描述的笔触, 一抑一扬, 这是我不满意的地方. 可能我就是那种不愿意感受到被人牵着鼻子走的那种观众.
这样好象总结地全面了一些. 总之, 有关于故事本身的想法, 有关于创作的想法.
其实从头到尾，我没有觉得WJZ是不可原谅的，亦没有觉得易先生是多么人人得而诛之。他们俩的行为，虽然我都不认可，但是我都觉得是可以理解的。但是我不能接受的，是李安在花了大功夫刻画WJZ和易先生的“人性”的同时，也许是为了衬托他们二人，却是简单，粗暴的“非人性化”了其他所有的爱国学生。
我觉得我以及其他几个人一再重复的就是这个观点，但是某人或者是选择型失明，或者曲解这个意思，耸肩。
you just don't want to be told what to do! :D just kidding!!
Wang Jiazhi wanted, and eventually rebelled her own way of life, since it was just so wrong. I mean the way she led her life was just wrong, not simply what she has been doing specifically.
Many people believe in social Darwinism, Japaneses were strong believers (I think they still believe it). That is why they think wimpy women don't
worth of being pitied. Some people don't believe it, or at least they don't like it. I guess Ann Lee is not interested in judging. He wants to document, to
expose, to cherish.
我后来想，王对吴爆发的一幕其实可以去掉，李安可能还是试图从身心──爱这样一个架构去诠释王佳芝，我倒觉得，爱不爱在这里并不重要，可我想，如果没有这个“爱”，是不是争议会更大？
[此贴子已经被作者于2007-11-9 15:53:03编辑过]
you just don't want to be told what to do! :D just kidding!!
No, she just doesn't agree Ann Lee's attitude. Do you think that the critics who complimented this movie are those kind of people who like being told what to do? I bet Ann Lee would be surprised by her interpretation if he knew it. People from different background don't think in the same way, but it is another complicated topic, way beyond the movie.
I don't think the director is trying to tell anybody what to do. Some of the propaganda movies do.
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