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Huaren
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5littlemonkeys

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2024-10-24 13:01:11

回复 118楼 dllzf 的帖子

老师当着全班同学的面解决这件事情确实不妥。 有程度不当的羞辱。

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sky54321

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2024-10-24 13:02:05

这老师真是闲得蛋疼,这种事在学校太多了吧,还特地给家长发邮件是为了啥,找存在感?自己是正义使者?看你娃不爽很久了?要不然真不能理解。话说你们是一年一换老师吗?不是的话你绝对要想法把娃弄出她的班级,要不然娃的小学生涯就是个噩梦。


退一步说,孩子是很有可能知道这糖是谁的,老师奖励的时候很可能是当着全班的面,孩子就是想要这颗糖,捡了就藏起来了,这种小心思估计也是有的,所以后面老师问了也心虚不敢说话。但是这样就要用steal这种重词吗?

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tourlove

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2024-10-24 13:04:33

其实我觉得老师也不是故意的,只是没想到有孩子会shy到不替自己辩解,更没想到从地上捡到的不敢举手,普通人的思维就是,如果不是你的错,那别人问你的时候,你为什么不大大方方地承认呢?除非老师说了拿出来糖的就是小偷,或者需要被惩罚。不然你家小朋友’get in trouble'的想法很没有道理啊。


你可以和老师沟通,你家小朋友就是胆子小到这个程度,因为这超出了普通孩子的胆小,我觉得要亲自跟老师打招呼说明情况比较好。


其实老师低估了你家小朋友胆小的程度,说明你家孩子在他的教室里可能invisible,就是不vocal也不制造麻烦,所以老师对你家小朋友完全不了解。

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arabdopsis

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2024-10-24 13:08:24

什么一颗糖也叫steal,老师去教育一下那些零元购的吧

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tourlove

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2024-10-24 13:17:36

5littlemonkeys 发表于 2024-10-24 12:34

看楼主的描述, 这件事情不是一件孩子道德上的问题, 更多的是social emotional发育赶不上校园社交环境,没法age appropriate的处理冲突的问题。


首先这个孩子的糖是不是当着全班同学的面奖励的, 其次这个糖是不是落在这个孩子的桌子旁边。 如果答案都是是, 那么三年级的孩子应该可以connect the dots糖的主人是谁。 还有就是三年级的孩子看到地上有糖, social norm应该是会喊我找到一颗糖, 是谁的, 而不是不知道是谁的就放书包里了。 因为孩子就算不知道是谁的,至少是知道不是自己的。Again, 这里想说的是孩子的成熟度社交能力上的问题, 不是道德问题。


其次, 老师给了一次机会说这个同学掉了糖。 在谁那里交上来。 这是很好的一次clarify的机会, 但是孩子没用上。这一步应该也是老师认为是steal的部分,反应了 “ no intent to return”。 但是孩子的动机不是想偷或者不还, 是在一个对他来说复杂的社交场景里面懵住了想逃避。


是的。家长应该用这个契机跟老师好好交流,让老师对孩子的这部分weakness有深刻印象,clarify了误会同时可以让老师多在这方面加强对自己孩子的练习,比如让他多发言,让他担任一些shared responsibility,帮助他胆子大起来,融入social norm里。


家长自己也可以在家教育孩子,地上捡的不等于是你的,不要放进自己的包里,留在原地等失主自己来找,或者交给身边的大人让他们处理。这些social norm家长不教,老师也不教,就会在真正的社会里吃亏的。

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mtwash

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2024-10-24 13:26:35

支持楼主站出来把事情摊开


有些中小学老师根本当自己都是独裁官,说谁是就是,说谁非就非,有时候完全脱离事实基础的做法下,孩子们也面对这些做法根本毫无招架之力


我看本版最近两年那个关于老师用天知道哪里弄来的AI检测器就判定小朋友们的写作是AI生成的,有很高的误判几率,其实就是属于这种独裁行为,有私刑泛滥的危险

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dllzf

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2024-10-24 13:34:54

tourlove 发表于 2024-10-24 13:04

其实我觉得老师也不是故意的,只是没想到有孩子会shy到不替自己辩解,更没想到从地上捡到的不敢举手,普通人的思维就是,如果不是你的错,那别人问你的时候,你为什么不大大方方地承认呢?除非老师说了拿出来糖的就是小偷,或者需要被惩罚。不然你家小朋友’get in trouble'的想法很没有道理啊。


你可以和老师沟通,你家小朋友就是胆子小到这个程度,因为这超出了普通孩子的胆小,我觉得要亲自跟老师打招呼说明情况比较好。


其实老师低估了你家小朋友胆小的程度,说明你家孩子在他的教室里可能invisible,就是不vocal也不制造麻烦,所以老师对你家小朋友完全不了解。


那他就是胆小到不敢举手,他更小的时候连上厕所都不敢举手,憋到尿裤。我本人e人,不能感同身受他的胆小……正如老师可以上台讲课,估计不能感同身受为什么有人做演讲会流汗或者被冻住,但我们要承认这样的人的存在。其实我也愿意相信老师是普通人思维,没有想到会这样……


老师先问为什么他要steal,孩子算是defend自己了吧,说“i didnt know its his”。如果这样结束也就罢了,但是她给我的邮件第一句话可是“孩子steal了糖”,可见我们孩子的说辞没用,she didnt buy it。



我的确没有真人到场跟老师强调过孩子异于常人的胆小(刚开学见面家长太多,又着急回去上班,没机会跟老师1v1搭上话),不敢speak up。但是开学之前老师发过一张纸,问孩子有没有需要注意的地方。我当时就写了,孩子shy,不喜欢speak out,可能他想什么会心理想,但是不说出来,需要大人主动询问,反正诸如此类,类似的话吧。


顺便再庆幸一下自己是e人,比较喜欢share,把可能发生的情况提前多说点,因为的确有前车之鉴。希望老师可以理解,我不是为了这个incident给孩子立“胆小”人设,而是他真的就是这么个人……



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痘痘猪

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2024-10-24 13:48:13

这种老师真的是极不负责,居然还有guts给家长发信。这件事如果是我会严肃的要求老师retract her accusation,另一方面我会教育自己的孩子never apologize for anything that you didn't do,虽然对孩子来说不容易,但是要学会stand up for yourself,哪怕是retention也不怕,mom has your back。


For your reference:


Adding Mr/Mrs. xx (principal's name) for awareness and complete transparency.


Dear Mrs. XX (teacher's name),


Hope you are well!


Thank you for bringing this incident into my attention. I've had a conversation with XX (kid's name) and now I have a clear understanding of what happened earlier today.


First of all, he thought this was a finders keepers situation and I already made sure he understands that anything and everything he finds in the classroom need to go back to the teacher and should never leave the classroom. However, with that said, "stealing" is an accusation that I can not take lightly to which I strongly disagree in such incident; It's extremely unfair and irresponsible to make such accusation against a 9 year-old without thorough investigation of the incident.


Second, he apologized not because he admitted that he took the candy on purpose, but because he was intimidated into apologizing. I also had the conversation with him about never apologizing for something he didn't do, especially when pressured by a grownup or person of authority.


This may be a small incident, the lasting impact on a 9 year-old can be tremendously detrimental. To make things right, I suggest that you retract the accusation of "stealing" and issue an apology. If there is anything further that you'd like to clarify, I would be more than happy to meet and discuss in person at your convenience.


Best regards,

XX




bellamia 发表于 2024-10-24 08:46

这个老师这么爱演 那就给他加点戏, 他们可不要接不住戏哦, 我会失望的。我会跟校长说

I need to understand why a teacher at your school, without any proper investigation, assumed my child was a thief. He has never exhibited behavior or had any previous incidents that would suggest he would steal, especially not a piece of candy. Why did she assume a child in her class committed this act, and more importantly, why was my Chinese child singled out? Does she harbor any bias against Asians or Chinese individuals? If she is not racist, as I hope, this still does not make the situation any better—it implies she assumes all children are thieves, which makes her unfit to be a teacher. However, if she is racist, this is unacceptable, and we will request a full investigation into whether she has committed a hate crime against a minor. For your information, harassment is a crime outlined in most state penal codes, and accusing someone of theft without proper cause is a form of harassment.


My child was targeted, interrogated, bullied into apologizing, and even forced to admit to something he did not do. He was intimidated—this is completely unacceptable. We entrusted our child to your school because we believed in your professionalism, but instead, he was bullied, verbally abused, and shamed by the very adult responsible for his care. This is deeply disappointing. We take this matter very seriously and demand a thorough investigation, along with a detailed report. All details must be documented for future reference. Your teacher’s false accusation has caused severe mental distress to my child and our family. The damage has already been done, and I need to know how you plan to address this and make it right.


To be clear, accusing someone of stealing is a serious attack on their character, especially when it involves a 9-year-old child. As a parent, I cannot and will not let this slide. If this matter is not resolved, I will not hesitate to escalate it to a higher level.

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vwot

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2024-10-24 13:50:21

要求老师给小孩道歉

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happyforever21

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2024-10-24 13:54:57

如果真用了steal这个词,我觉得老师很过分。即使真的是孩子拿了,老师也不应该用这么严重的词,steal是把孩子定性的一个词,孩子才这么大点,还有很多事情需要经历,怎么能通过一次事情来给孩子定性呢?

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