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2024-10-31 19:28:34

还请楼主多提供些facts。虽然个人认为低月份的流产应该是基本人权,但这个case感觉就是医疗事故malpractice。孕妇是死于感染,而不是不能abortion。另外,德州是可以根据medical condition来医疗流产的。下面是从Texas政府网站copy的。如果需要abortion才能救治这个孕妇而医院没做,是医疗事故。医生救了,但是胎儿却死了,按下面条款是不会收到检方起诉。


楼主不要被骗了。用傲慢偏见以及谎言来煽动仇恨的做法是典型极左极右惯用手段。


Section 170A.002 prohibits a person from performing, inducing, or attempting an abortion. There is an exception for situations in which the life or health of the pregnant patient is at risk. In order for the exception to apply, three factors must be met:

  • A licensed physician must perform the abortion.
  • The patient must have a life-threatening condition and be at risk of death or "substantial impairment of a major bodily function" if the abortion is not performed. "Substantial impairment of a major bodily function" is not defined in this chapter.
  • The physician must try to save the life of the fetus unless this would increase the risk of the pregnant patient's death or impairment.





emirage 发表于 2024-10-31 19:19

这些facts为什么需要楼主提供?自己不会搜吗?到处都是新闻。一会儿说让楼主提供facts,一会儿说让楼主不要被骗了,逻辑在哪里🧐?


这个孕妇的感染就是因为miscarriage 没有被及时处理而导致的:


Josseli Barnica grieved the news as she lay in a Houston hospital bed on Sept. 3, 2021: The sibling she’d dreamt of giving her daughter would not survive this pregnancy.

The fetus was on the verge of coming out, its head pressed against her dilated cervix; she was 17 weeks pregnant and a miscarriage was “in progress,” doctors noted in hospital records. At that point, they should have offered to speed up the delivery or empty her uterus to stave off a deadly infection, more than a dozen medical experts told ProPublica.

But when Barnica’s husband rushed to her side from his job on a construction site, she relayed what she said the medical team had told her: “They had to wait until there was no heartbeat,” he told ProPublica in Spanish. “It would be a crime to give her an abortion.”

For 40 hours, the anguished 28-year-old mother prayed for doctors to help her get home to her daughter; all the while, her uterus remained exposed to bacteria.

Three days after she delivered, Barnica died of an infection.

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emirage 发表于 2024-10-31 19:19

还请楼主多提供些facts。虽然个人认为低月份的流产应该是基本人权,但这个case感觉就是医疗事故malpractice。孕妇是死于感染,而不是不能abortion。另外,德州是可以根据medical condition来医疗流产的。下面是从Texas政府网站copy的。如果需要abortion才能救治这个孕妇而医院没做,是医疗事故。医生救了,但是胎儿却死了,按下面条款是不会收到检方起诉。


楼主不要被骗了。用傲慢偏见以及谎言来煽动仇恨的做法是典型极左极右惯用手段。


Section 170A.002 prohibits a person from performing, inducing, or attempting an abortion. There is an exception for situations in which the life or health of the pregnant patient is at risk. In order for the exception to apply, three factors must be met:

  • A licensed physician must perform the abortion.
  • The patient must have a life-threatening condition and be at risk of death or "substantial impairment of a major bodily function" if the abortion is not performed. "Substantial impairment of a major bodily function" is not defined in this chapter.
  • The physician must try to save the life of the fetus unless this would increase the risk of the pregnant patient's death or impairment.





开眼了。


life-threatening condition and be at risk of death or "substantial impairment of a major bodily function" if the abortion is not performed. "Substantial impairment of a major bodily function" is not defined in this chapter.


life-threatening 是谁定义的? 如果医生只是认为你死不了,但是会痛苦的熬着,在医院出血40小时,让胎儿自己流产,而不是辅助完成。完全没必要的耽误了治疗导致后面的感染。 At-risk 是谁来定义的? 什么是at risk,有百分之十的几率会大出血死亡,算at risk吗? 百分之五呢,百分之一呢? 明明应该让医生不受限制的治疗,施救,按照他们的医学常识来,却被一道政令变成了枷锁。


这个案例恰恰证明了,只有“life-threaten”情况下才流产是多可笑的事情。 很多情况引发,诱发其他不必要的疾病感染。 如果不人工干预流产,而是让胎儿自动流产不会死但是会失去子宫,这样就可以了吗?这个标准可以接受吗?女人的生育不仅要被剥夺,还要被掌控在你们这种无耻的人手中,轻飘飘一句,当时不是没有生命危险嘛。

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2024-10-31 19:40:27

这些facts为什么需要楼主提供?自己不会搜吗?到处都是新闻。一会儿说让楼主提供facts,一会儿说让楼主不要被骗了,逻辑在哪里🧐?


这个孕妇的感染就是因为miscarriage 没有被及时处理而导致的:


Josseli Barnica grieved the news as she lay in a Houston hospital bed on Sept. 3, 2021: The sibling she’d dreamt of giving her daughter would not survive this pregnancy.

The fetus was on the verge of coming out, its head pressed against her dilated cervix; she was 17 weeks pregnant and a miscarriage was “in progress,” doctors noted in hospital records. At that point, they should have offered to speed up the delivery or empty her uterus to stave off a deadly infection, more than a dozen medical experts told ProPublica.

But when Barnica’s husband rushed to her side from his job on a construction site, she relayed what she said the medical team had told her: “They had to wait until there was no heartbeat,” he told ProPublica in Spanish. “It would be a crime to give her an abortion.”

For 40 hours, the anguished 28-year-old mother prayed for doctors to help her get home to her daughter; all the while, her uterus remained exposed to bacteria.

Three days after she delivered, Barnica died of an infection.


tomjust 发表于 2024-10-31 19:28

别激动!哪里有医疗记录说不能abortion了?按Texas的Section 170A.002威胁孕妇生命是可以abortion的。看你写的这些,是不是后来还是引产了呀?医院没能及时abortion, 导致孕妇死亡,那也是医疗事故!


不过又是他说她说!具体情况和那些扯皮的医疗事故没有区别呀!

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2024-10-31 19:42:50

Anna20000 发表于 2024-10-31 18:28
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确实是,很多川粉大妈至今还以为自己就是幸运的多数人。事不关己高高挂起!


我真的觉得自己幸运,我不会用到abortion。但是是个人都能共情那些需要abortion的女人。

当然肯定有女人不负责任,随便怀孕想打胎就打胎。但是这种人能有几个?打胎是及其伤害女人身体的,她们随意打胎最后也会用她们自己的身体付出代价。冥冥中老天爷早就制定了因果规则,用得着不会生的男人来“替天行道”吗?。不让他们打胎,生出来的孩子能幸福吗?投胎在这种人肚子里的孩子出生即地狱。人家未必愿意被prolife生出来呢。

再说,就因为这种极个别的例子,就绑架全部女人吗?宁可错杀1000不能放过一个。


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2024-10-31 19:46:59

momclub17 发表于 2024-10-31 19:42

我真的觉得自己幸运,我不会用到abortion。但是是个人都能共情那些需要abortion的女人。

当然肯定有女人不负责任,随便怀孕想打胎就打胎。但是这种人能有几个?打胎是及其伤害女人身体的,她们随意打胎最后也会用她们自己的身体付出代价。冥冥中老天爷早就制定了因果规则,用得着不会生的男人来“替天行道”吗?。不让他们打胎,生出来的孩子能幸福吗?投胎在这种人肚子里的孩子出生即地狱。人家未必愿意被prolife生出来呢。

再说,就因为这种极个别的例子,就绑架全部女人吗?宁可错杀1000不能放过一个。



对。真希望多些象你这样理性的网友。


就应该根据伦理医学等等来理性研究制定个正确的federal法律来保护绝大多数人。

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2024-10-31 19:52:07

别激动!哪里有医疗记录说不能abortion了?按Texas的Section 170A.002威胁孕妇生命是可以abortion的。看你写的这些,是不是后来还是引产了呀?医院没能及时abortion, 导致孕妇死亡,那也是医疗事故!


不过又是他说她说!具体情况和那些扯皮的医疗事故没有区别呀!


emirage 发表于 2024-10-31 19:40

我反驳的是,说她死于感染,那有没有想过感染是哪里来的?


如果医生早点处理,她还会感染吗?


打下这些字真是恶心的让人出冷汗,这么明显的common sense居然还要辩解,一条活生生的人命就被抽象为概念游戏。


如果有hell的话,someone deserves it. 恶魔在人间。

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2024-10-31 19:57:01

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没有胎儿没有心跳才能引产。这就是你说的合法引产。

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2024-10-31 19:57:23

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需要胎儿没有心跳才能引产!

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emirage 发表于 2024-10-31 19:40

别激动!哪里有医疗记录说不能abortion了?按Texas的Section 170A.002威胁孕妇生命是可以abortion的。看你写的这些,是不是后来还是引产了呀?医院没能及时abortion, 导致孕妇死亡,那也是医疗事故!


不过又是他说她说!具体情况和那些扯皮的医疗事故没有区别呀!


一个孕妇已经被活生生的拖死了,本来完全可以避免的,居然还在这里说什么Texas可以abortion,心太坏了,为了trump简直不顾一切了

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tomjust 发表于 2024-10-31 19:52

我反驳的是,说她死于感染,那有没有想过感染是哪里来的?


如果医生早点处理,她还会感染吗?


打下这些字真是恶心的让人出冷汗,这么明显的common sense居然还要辩解,一条活生生的人命就被抽象为概念游戏。


如果有hell的话,someone deserves it. 恶魔在人间。


没错。个人认为还是医疗事故,而不是楼主说的医生做abortion就要被起诉。


不按facts,任意随性,按楼主说的“为了保命 要把老公给割了”。


的确是“如果有hell的话,someone deserves it. 恶魔在人间。”

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