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Huaren
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8号提案大家投啥?

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2008-11-04 20:16:00

以下是引用as_still_water在2008-11-4 20:09:00的发言:
too bad I can not vote, I would vote for no

the same
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2008-11-05 00:40:00

以下是引用yuanyuanlu在2008-11-5 0:33:00的发言:

your kids might do it anyway whether heterosexual or homosexual


you're mean but very sharp, i like it!!
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2008-11-05 00:45:00

以下是引用vivien0612在2008-11-5 0:42:00的发言:

at least I will tell them not to as a parent. And you will encourage your children.

So yeah, your kids are more likely be ****ed in their shitholes. And I am pretty sure you, as their parent, are proud of them doing that


you kinda disgust me in a way
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2008-11-05 01:02:00

以下是引用vivien0612在2008-11-5 0:58:00的发言:

what did I disgust you? She started first. And you seemed enjoying it, didn't you?

 


i was disgusted because you are talking about which hole the kids should be fucked
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2008-11-05 01:10:00

以下是引用vivien0612在2008-11-5 1:06:00的发言:

Iam?! 英文你看不懂是吧?你让她自己说,是谁先说的!我先说的是为了保护孩子,应该反对,因为很恶心,根本没有办法跟孩子解释。然后他就说“your kids" ,直接人身攻击我,你还回他的帖子,在那幸灾乐祸的不得了,你现在反过来是我说的?


我没啥幸灾乐祸的,我也能看懂你的英文,我也能分清谁说了啥。
的确是mm你先讨论关于教育孩子hole这个问题的呀。
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2008-11-05 01:18:00

以下是引用vivien0612在2008-11-5 1:15:00的发言:

 "Iwas disgusted because you are talking about which hole the kids should be ****ed"

这也是你说的。你真懂假懂,这区别也太大了吧。


 

得,大佬,我服了你了。
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2008-11-05 01:28:00

以下是引用flyingkitty在2008-11-5 1:22:00的发言:

To respect the difference of others is the best way to earn respect from others. Your children are going to be exposed to these issues regardless whether prop 8 is passed or not, and you would need to find the best way to explain things to them no matter what. Simply telling them same sex marriage is wrong is not going to help them living in a society that is built on difference.

I cannot vote. If I can, I would vote no on prop 8 and take the responsibility to educate my children myself.


totally agree.
我不喜欢这个mm这样defend prop 8,就是因为她片面把这个事情说成是disgusting的,自然界就是多样的,你不能接受这种多样性不代表它就是disgusting的,你可以不喜欢,但至少要respect别人。

再说,gay marriage通过就会教坏孩子,这根本就是slippery slope fallacy,没有说服力。不论8号通过不通过,父母都不会教小孩子关于hole的问题,这不是教育小孩子婚姻的途径。
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2008-11-05 01:52:00

以下是引用vivien0612在2008-11-5 1:42:00的发言:

很多人在这说respect,好像很respect同性恋似的,但是性是婚姻很重要的一部分,也是同性恋最不能被人们接受的原因,为什么一说到同性恋和异性恋最本质的不同,很多人又一副不能接受的样子,难道respect还是有条件的?孩子是天真无邪的,什么都会想要知道,他们又不会自动屏蔽有关性的问题,有一天他们去问老师,或者来问父母,作为父母,怎么去解释?怎么去教育?我请问你们,卖淫嫖娼和乱伦,是个人的自由么?应该被尊重么?


关键的问题就是很多人不认为卖淫嫖娼和乱伦与同性恋是一个category,like me
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2008-11-05 02:04:00

以下是引用凡士林在2008-11-5 2:02:00的发言:
最后那个还是通过了吗?

应该是通过了,没什么大变化了,应该。
anyway, i would vote no if i'm allowed
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2008-11-05 02:16:00

以下是引用angeliali在2008-11-5 2:05:00的发言:

 

I am glad that it is passed, at least it sends out a message to people what is the right direction that we as human being should go for. I think 乱伦and同性恋 are in the same category, as they are against the biological rule that i have been believing in. As more and more ppl 乱伦 and 同性恋, human being will extinct eventually, although it is very unlikely to happen.

 

If you look at the summary of arguement against prop 8:

 

Equality under the law is a fundamental freedom. Regardless of how we feel about marriage, singling people (if a farther and his daughter are both single, and they want to get married, can you accept that? ) out to be treated differently is wrong (If two things are different, i don't see why we call them the same name). Prop. 8 won't affect our schools, but it will mean loving couples are treated differently under our Constitution and denied equal protection under the law (They can get the same protection as marriage can bring them, i am not against that, but not under the name of marriage).

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i would vote no but not exactly based on the same argument
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