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Huaren
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贪心啊.......

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2007-05-10 22:32:00

我昨天把一个Japan的MF给卖了, 太英明了

今天这个大跌, 和去年流血的5月几乎同时开始啊

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2007-05-11 10:21:00

2004, 05, 06连续三年, 每年都是四五月份全球股市出问题. 当然每次的起因不一样, 04年是受china, india经济放缓的利空消息影响带动整个consumer sector, commodity, transportation等等; 05年是GM downgraded to junk引起的ripple wave; 06年是Emerging markets全面correction, intra-month跌过25%...

Street is used to saying: "Sell in May, buy back in October."

Consider the record, which is pretty stunning. If you'd put $10,000 into the S&P 500 with a strict sell-in-May, buy-in-October strategy on May 1, 1950, you'd have ended 2006 with more than $600,000, according to calculations from Ned Davis Research. If you'd done the opposite, and invested every May 1 and sold every Sept. 1, you'd have $12,083. If you'd just let it ride in a buy-and-hold strategy, you'd have $129,515, according to S&P.

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2007-05-11 11:37:00

以下是引用gg在2007-5-11 10:58:00的发言:

Street is used to saying: "Sell in May, buy back in October."

Consider
the record, which is pretty stunning. If you'd put $10,000 into the
S&P 500 with a strict sell-in-May, buy-in-October strategy on May
1, 1950, you'd have ended 2006 with more than $600,000, according to
calculations from Ned Davis Research. If you'd done the opposite, and
invested every May 1 and sold every Sept. 1, you'd have $12,083. If
you'd just let it ride in a buy-and-hold strategy, you'd have $129,515,
according to S&P.

That's pure crap. It would have been valuable, if someone predicted that in 1950.

There is always some kind of pattern, when you look back. Everyone can do that. You can relate the stock market to Super Bowl too. But what really count is to look at future trend and very few people can do that.

Some patterns are mere coincidence. Others may be real, but will no longer be valuable, when everyone heard about it.



show your guts, point fingers to all quants, economists, traders, and claim historical track records are just "pure crap" see if anybody give you a sh!t

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2007-05-11 12:14:00

以下是引用新衣服在2007-5-11 11:56:00的发言:

Considering the record, if you put $1 in S&P 500 on Jan 01, 1950 and hold it until Dec 31, 2006, you would have $62.87. Comparing these 2 cases, you will see something.


I think you are right except for that return looks like ex-dividend. 

That means market timing is not significant in the long run.  But short term you want to filter out the bad downturns. 


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2007-05-12 20:32:00

以下是引用gg在2007-5-12 1:01:00的发言:
show your guts, point fingers to all quants, economists, traders, and
claim historical track records are just "pure crap" see if anybody give
you a sh!t


1) Pointing fingers is not the right way to show one's guts, just put your money where your word is. I am not selling my holdings this coming month. That says all. If the future will simply follow the same pattern, why would anyone not following it? If everyone is following it, there isn't any money to be made.
First, how do you know no one's following it? The claim is there is some smart a$$ following the pattern, not everybody.  Sharpen your logic, man.


2) An economist should not be concerned with the stock market at all, otherwise he is a fake one. Economy and finance are very different subjects. I still remember the fund that hired two Nobel Price winners (economics) that blew up (betting on the wrong side of Lira). The Nobel winners were not so noble after all. They were after the money and the those who lost their investment were after these two guys.
You have only one data point, and I can show you it's not about Lira.  Too lame.  BTW, your first sentence is too naive to be argue with.


3) I am not sure if "they" will give me a sh!t. But you already did. I cannot blame you, since you are full of it.
You put a perfect valuation on yourself coz I rarely give sh!t to nobody just because they are worth every ounce of it.

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2007-05-15 10:53:00

The end reason to explain why market is so efficient is not about whether majority of investors' capital is smart or not smart; it's all about leverage.  The end reason why LTCM blew up, is also about leverage.  Think about 125x levered vs just 2x levered book of russian bonds; when they defaulted, there's no way out. 

Now, how come today's market is so highly levered?  Leverage benefits from cheap credit.  The ultimate culprit is yen carry trade and china.  As long as asian keep buying US treasuries long term yields are low enough to keep stock market afloat. The real interest rate should have been much higher, so yen carry trade will not unwind easily and thus enables investors chase higher yields globally.  Although in gold terms S&P is way lower than 6 years ago, P/E is just 16 compared with 26 in 6/01. Makes a better case, huh?  The real reason investors are worried about the valuation is earnings growth.  You think those asset-backed MEWs had nothing to do with corporate earnings?

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2007-05-16 00:20:00

"the return for the summer season is still on the positive side. It's not negative."  The thing is opportunity cost is high when you realize historical return in summer is lower than other seasons combined. Tbill with higher return in the same period is simply a better investment, and it's never negative, which differentiates it with market risk. That justifies why you want to hold cash.  Very simple.

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